Robert Peters, President of Morality in the Media (which procures its support and operating budget from large evangelical groups such as Focus on the Family) and probably not a
true Scotsman Christian (just like the millions of not
true Scotsmen Christians that support him), has just issued
a press release that would make commenters like impofdisparagement and supsoo tingle. Apparently, gay marriage is responsible for
mass murder. How could we not have seen it coming?
"The underlying problem is that increasingly we live in a 'post-Christian' society, where Judeo-Christian faith and values have less and less influence. Among other things, Judaism and Christianity taught that murder was wrong and that included murder motivated by anger, hatred and revenge. Both religions also taught that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves and to forgive others.
Obviously the only reason that exists to be good people is because Jesus (not any other god) is watching over our shoulders and threatening us if we don't march to his supernatural drum. This is why all atheists kill our neighbors, rape their pets, and steal their pornography. I don't know why I
never noticed it before, really.
"For many citizens, what has replaced Judeo-Christian faith and values is the secular value system that is reflected in films, rap/music lyrics, and videogames and on TV and now the Internet, where the taking of human life for just about any reason is commonplace and is often portrayed in an appealing manner and in realistic detail. Murder motivated by hatred and revenge is also justified.
There is one side of this equation that is unable to separate fantasy from reality and I'll give you a hint: it's not this side. This is why prisons contain no true
Scotsmen Christians convicted of murder.
"This secular value system is also reflected in the 'sexual revolution,' which is the driving force behind the push for 'gay marriage;' and the Iowa Supreme Court decision is another indication that despite all the damage this revolution has caused to children, adults, family life and society (think abortion, divorce, pornography, rape, sexual abuse of children, sexually transmitted diseases, trafficking in women and children, unwed teen mothers and more), it continues to advance relentlessly.
Abortion I'll give him, because
I don't think it's wrong. Divorce (which
occurs with greater frequency in more religious areas of the country ) is also ok - why stay in a situation you're miserable with? It would seem that demanding a woman stay with an abusive husband or that a man remain unhappily with an unfaithful spouse (rather than just killing her, Leviticus 20:10) would be the opposite of moral - but that's probably my wicked atheism speaking. Pornography - right on. Done properly, it can make your descent into lust more enjoyable and, thus, more sinful and more infuriating to people
who think it's god's will to stick their nose into your life.
Rape? While it's obvious that only atheists have ever committed rape, I've never been able to understand how a reasonable assessment of the world makes rape a rational proposition. Now forcing a girl to engage in the sanctity of marriage (without the option of filthy, sinful divorce) with the inhuman slime that just raped her (Deuteronomy 22:28-29), there's some morality that has escaped my ethically blurred mind. My lack of belief in god probably also clouds my judgment, such that I cannot fathom how killing a rape victim for not yelling loud enough (Deuteronomy 22:24) could have
ever been considered moral.
Sexual abuse of children next. In fighting the healing influence of god, I've found more and more that I want to force myself upon children, rather than consenting adult women who are decent in the sack - thank god I have the Catholic church to help me curb those urges. (It should be noted here that those priests were not
true Scotsmen Catholics, and clearly the pope and the papal hierarchy that shielded them from legal prosecution are not
true Scotsmen Catholics either...just wanted to clear that up)
STDs as well! That's why STD transmission is higher in less religious areas where people
don't have sex until marriage (right?).
Trafficking in women and children? Alright, atheists are infamous for doing this...and I can totally see where Peters draws that conclusion. Hey...it's
faith, not delusion, ok? I know his faith isn't
true faith and that your faith is probably distinguishable from his in terms of credibility. I mean, this dude's faith has only put him in a position where millions of people (remember, millions who are not
true Scotsman Christians) donate to his cause and eagerly wait to abide by his "wisdom". Anyway, how could we even get around to trafficking in human beings with no legitimate means to put a price tag on them (because such a thing is certainly not in the last chapter of Leviticus - and women are certainly not worth far less than men)?
Unwed teen mothers? Wouldn't it be odd if
those rates were higher per capita in more religious areas of the country where girls are routinely
kept in the dark about the facts of sex? Wouldn't that just be
strange? It's probably the result of god altering those numbers to test our faith, and not at all because the same adherence to reason that produces atheism also produces more conducive ideas about sex than we held in the Bronze Age.
So while this jackass' claims are demonstrably idiotic, how can we argue against faith, which not only allows this man to ignore reality but makes a virtue doing so? Shall we fight it with more faith? How about we ditch faith and try going the facts, reason, and reality route? Give it a shot? Besides, if you find yourself slavering to put your penis in a child or an ox (or the ox's penis in you), you'll know that only fear of hell can keep you from those urges and you can go right back to faith.
Oh, and the last paragraph is hilarious...
It most certainly is not my intention to blame the epidemic of mass murders on the gay rights movement! It is my intention to point out that the success of the sexual revolution is inversely proportional to the decline in morality; and it is the decline of morality (and the faith that so often under girds it) that is the underlying cause of our modern day epidemic of mass murders.
Which is why the title you assigned to your screed was
"Connecting the Dots: The Link Between Gay Marriage and Mass Murders". Listen, I don't mean to be a dishonest asshole, but...
Yeah. Because as we all secretly have always known, faith and
true Christianity have always had the monopoly on
killing witches murdering apostates slavery discrimination against ethnic minorities morality, and it has certainly not been generations of skeptics that have rescued us from
the Inquisition subjugation of women killing people who work on Saturday (Exodus 35:2) the immorality of reason. We should probably trust faith-drunk throngs of bible thumpers to dictate other peoples' lives now with regards to equality.
Faith is not a good thing. Faith dilutes our moral sense by convincing us to obey arbitrary rules rather than applying ourselves to the task of deducing why those rules even exist. It's what allows people to ignore reasonable propositions and cling to unreasonable ones - and that should embarrass any thinking person. We need to stop treating faith like it's a spiritual tonic, and start criticizing people who don't pour the poison down the drain.
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How totally ludicrous.
Here is a link to some of the supporters of banning Gay Marriage.
Great Christians.... model Christians... Jesus wants to climb back on the cross after seeing all this!
http://www.texascivilrightsproject.org/newspub/clip_051106_TCRP_plans_suit_over_protest_barriers.html
"Judge not yet you be judged the same!"
and the Golden Rule...
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
LOL.
It bums me out that the most vocal (or at least the most heard) Christians are the ones who have abandoned reason and ignore evidence and science. Believe it or not, not all of us are unreasonable automatons.
@trebleclef402 - Thank you for clearing this up with them.
rofl rofl rofl.
as an atheist myself, i merely caution you not to generalize. religion is fundamentally divisive, and so there are many kinds of christians.
but other than that, this is full of win. XD
It's simple math, retard. Let me spell it out for you.
gay + rights = mass murder.
Some people are just too gay to have rights.
@trebleclef402 - I don't recall ever saying that. What I will say is that all Christians fail to hold good reasons for what they believe and that that is dangerous.
JT
@LifeNeedsProtection - See the part at the bottom about faith allowing us to make a virtue of being unreasonable and ignoring the facts? I find it annoyingly amusing that you can be so smug about somebody addressing an argument I've never made, when you conformed so recently to that paragraph in a recent exchange with Cal2323.
Really, you thanked someone for clearing up something that I've never once said or even implied.
JT
I'm pretty sure there have been more untimely deaths and mass murders in the name of religion than any other reason, including natural disasters, gang wars, and cancer. But history and facts have never really been anything that concerned these types anyway.
"I don't believe in history"
@Zerowing21 - @Zerowing21 - It bums me out that the most vocal (or at
least the most heard) Christians are the ones who have abandoned reason
and ignore evidence and science. Believe it or not, not all of us are
unreasonable automatons.
K is a devout Christian and I would guess she believes the same things I believe. I am assuming you misunderstood her implications to your post.
@LifeNeedsProtection - Hi, again! Good to see you, had so much fun last time. I agree totally with what trebleclef said and with which you agreed (surprised?). LOL
I suggest as an possibility that it is the "reasonable" Christians who enable the vocal idiots to flourish (like alcoholics are enabled), because you don't speak even louder--since they are Christians, after all--and make it clear that these people don't represent you and that they are idiots. Instead of policing your own ranks of these people who tarnish the reputation of all Christians, many encourage them by their silence. Which, of course, leaves it up to people like Zerowing and makes it awfully easy to lump all Christians under one banner. He isn't a mind reader, you know? After all, if you found them objectionable or anathema, wouldn't you speak up and say so (without being pushed by the atheists)? Where are the "Christians Against Idiots" web pages, Xangas, etc.?
It all goes back to "All that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to be silent." I have had this discussion with many reasonable Christians and wondered about your take on it. Shouldn't the Christians yank the mote out of their own eye before--or at least at the same time as--- going yanking on atheists, gays, and so on?
Just bring up the point that the Christians are the reason for the fall of the Roman Empire, and thousands of lost years worth of knowledge. Remember the library of Alexandria? Yeah, those guys burned it down. Oh, and what a about Salem? Yeah, THEY fight off the rape, murder and all the other "bad things" in society. According to most Christians, my religion is the path to hell, and I am part of the reason the Earth will die off and what not. Right, because an all forgiving God would kill massive amounts of people, just because they don't think he's real. Thats real forgiving of him. My God's would be more willing to give the planet a second chance, if not more, just to watch us prosper. Nonetheless, no religion can be completely right, but if you look at the damage the Christians have caused, is it worth it?
@ginsu417 - If your quote about history isn't sarcasm, I'd agree with you. everything we know has been filtered, and falsified, in some way.
Well damn JT...there you go making sense again! Stop making sense...you're killing me. ;)
Now see you can't be a pot calling the kettle black. You talk about being reasonable and yet you go to the extreme of calling all people of faith poisoned. How is this any better than bible thumpers telling you how to live your life. It's not.
The problem is extremists of any kind. Not religious people and not atheists, but extremists. It is very arrogant to think that you can so easily lump people into one category or group. It is also very presumptuous of you to automatically assume that being a person of faith and being a person who is capable of reason are two mutually exclusive things.
@vanedave - The problem is, most religious people find that they will stick with people of their same faith, regardless of how extreme they are.
faith is a good thing when you believe in yourself.
@animecrazedfool - I think that is a matter of opinion. Most of the religious people I know do not practice blind faith. The only thing I am saying is that it is wrong to make blanket statements about people of faith, just as it would be wrong for a religious person to say that people who lack faith are horrible human beings.
But... mass murder is good, isn't it?
@vanedave - Well sir, the only blanket statement I've made about faith is that it poisons the intellect - and I'm happy to defend that. Faith is a way to subvert the burden of reason. It is the enshrinement of unreason. There is no reasonable path to believing in men walking on water or rising from the dead.
I also have never spoken about tolerance. I think we should not tolerate lazy thinking or intolerance. However, me criticizing faith is hardly intolerance. I do not wish people to be unable to think as they wish, but I do very much believe that we have an obligation in a society that does not regulate speech to get to the heart of various issues and shred the frauds. That is not intolerance. It is different than the bible thumpers because, as we see in legislation against gay marriage, they often and in great numbers do want to force others to abide by their arbitrary standards. You said:
"You talk about being reasonable and yet you
go to the extreme of calling all people of faith poisoned. How is this
any better than bible thumpers telling you how to live your life. It's
not."
Talking about how I think an idea is intellectual poison is quite a different one than trying to force others to live by your moral standards when they're not harming anybody. Christians remain free to question or criticize the structure of my beliefs. By all means, ask me how I know something - I'll be happy to explain. The problem is that Christians often think that me doing this is "intolerance".
About lumping them all into one group: No Christian holds good reasons for their beliefs in god, and that is something I'm happy (nay, eager) to defend. That is the only generalization I've ever made regarding all religious people (yet religious commenters are amazingly consistent at taking umbridge to phantom generalizations). And because what is morally right depends on what is true, Christians are failing in a responsibility they have to scrutinize their own beliefs. They can hardly be surprised when people like me begin scrutinizing them.
Lastly:
"It is also very presumptuous of you to
automatically assume that being a person of faith and being a person
who is capable of reason are two mutually exclusive things."
Here's your chance to show just how presumptuous I am. Let's hear a reasonable path to belief in god. Even a single person harboring a good reason would make your case - let's start with you.
JT
"It is also very presumptuous of you to
automatically assume that being a person of faith and being a person
who is capable of reason are two mutually exclusive things."
I have heard this argument all to often. It is reasonable to suppose that people who believe in religion are not capable of reason. One cannot reasonably suppose that a man walking on water is scientifically possible.