Wednesday, 29 April 2009

  • Pascal's Wager and why you should stop wearing pants


    First, what is Pascal's Wager? It usually looks something like this:

    "If I believe in god, I have everything to gain (heaven) and nothing to lose (death is the end). If I do not believe in god, I have nothing to gain (death is the end) and everything to lose (I spend eternity in hell).  So why not believe it just in case it's true?"

    First thing to notice is that Pascal's Wager doesn't argue that Christianity is true or believable, it simply talks about hedging your bets.  This is suspicious because if someone had good reasons to believe, wouldn't they just offer them up?  But the main problem with Pascal's Wager, as it is advanced by believers in Christ, is that it assumes the choice is merely between Christianity and non-belief. It pits the really, really, really, really, really (ad infinitum) small chance that Christianity is true against only atheism and asks, "Why not believe it?"  This assumes that we can even choose to believe something by force of will, which I don't think we can.

    Of course, the choice to believe in "god" is not a game of one on one between Jesus and atheism. You'd have to start off by figuring out which Jesus you believe in. According to the World Christian Encyclopedia, there are 33,820 different sects of Christianity as of 2001, so which one is going to keep you out of hell?

    Now we can start to add in Islam and other religions like Christianity; religions positing that non-believers will receive some horrible punishment for their skepticism. There are about 243,000 different religions on this planet, so at this point, you should expect to go to hell just on terms of basic probability. But now we can also
    start adding every possible god into our melting pot of consideration. After all, what if the real god has yet to be discovered? If faith is our selecting criteria, such that we must focus on hedging our bets in the hereafter rather than focusing on what is true or sensible, then we must consider religions that have not yet sprung into the head of some self-proclaimed prophetic mortal. Here's one:

    JTism!!!

    The belief that I, JT, in all My Holiness, am the One True God (tm) and unless you believe this with all your heart and refuse to wear pants, you are going to hell (bow down, bitch!).

    That's one out of an infinite number of possible religions, all as likely to be true as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, or any other religion insisting you believe ludicrous things on no evidence. So, in playing by the rules of Pascal's Wager, and with an infinite number of choices, your odds of going to hell are infinitely certain. I hope it's becoming more and more apparent that Pascal's Wager has no safe bets. 

    So, as long as you're going to go to hell, shouldn't you just focus on pursuing the truth and not waste time or intellectual currency arguing over adopting a certain belief set because somebody said you'd suffer if you didn't? Indeed, can we really do anything else? We are slaves to evidence. If I offered you a billion dollars right now, no strings attached, and all you had to do was honestly believe that I have an invisible penguin on my shoulder - could you do it? No, you couldn't. Which is why it is positively mad to believe that god would rig a game in which we had to believe in something so outlandish as a man rising from the dead 2,000 years ago on poor evidence to avoid being cast into an eternity of suffering which admits of no possible increase. If it is true, then god is a monster.

    Pascal's Wager misses many things. Primarily, it assumes that concepts like reward or punishment have anything to do with what is true. They don't. You shouldn't believe in something just because you are threatened or offered a reward by someone. In fact, a wise man should always be skeptical of anybody relying on scare tactics and threats all the while insisting that you just have to believe, despite what common sense tells you. Where I come from, people who insist we should abandon our standard checks on gullibility because of threats are called the mob ("do what we want you to do and we won't break your knee caps"), and those who offer us a boon in exchange for our credulity are con men. I think a god claiming to be the embodiment of love should be able to do a more convincing job of it than the mafia or a con artist.  


    Swallowing the hook because someone promises you the moon is not hedging your bets, it's looking for an excuse to be gullible, and scammers prey on people who want to indulge their sense of wishful thinking so badly that they'll shut their eyes to reality. 
    If you think hedging your bets in this way is a good idea, how come you don't still believe in Santa Clause?



    Why should that standard change when we're talking about god?  And how strong can your belief be if this is the reason you give?  You're essentially admitting that you believe in god, not on evidence or reasoning, but just because you want the damn carrot.  You're a chump.

    There are so many one true religions out there that are irreconcilable with each other, and therefore, at most, only one of them could be true, to the exclusion of literally an infinite number of other myths - but in all likelihood they're all false. So why not just seek the truth fearlessly? Yeah, it might not be pleasant when you find it (nobody wants to die), but do you think believing in faeries will change that? Yet, that notion is the very core of Pascal's Wager.

    If you're going to claim to pursue the truth, then really do it - regardless of those who insist you must accept something as the truth lest you burn (and this is virtually all Christians). Unless, of course, you have a good reason to believe god wouldn't want you to chase down the truth in an honest fashion...

    (Proverbs 3:5 is not a good reason).


    ...otherwise, it's time to accept JTism: you have everything to gain and nothing to lose.



Comments (16)

  • Sgt_Pepper13

    Pascal's Wager has always irritated me. The whole hedging your bet thing always struck me as fundamentally wrong. What's the point in faking faith? If there is a deity and it was impressed by this, I'd choose not to worship it anyway.

  • SerenaDante

    I hope to see people's answers to this.

  • GodlessLiberal

    I did a post on this maybe a month ago, but without as many awesome pictures. And everyone (as far as I know) was wearing pants.

  • Chinese_Sait0u

    hmmmm JTism sounds pretty good. -takes off pants-

  • LifeNeedsProtection

    Even I see many flaws as you do with Pascal.  It is more than belief in God.   

    James 2:19 (21st Century King James Version)

     19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well. The devils also believe -- and tremble.

    Then do they go to heaven simply b/c of belief?    I wouldn't think so. 

    I'll still take my chances with Christ and his words. 

    John 14:6 (21st Century King James Version)

      6Jesus said unto him, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

  • Zerowing21

    @LifeNeedsProtection - Oh snap, I wasn't prepared for scripture.  And that scripture even says that it's true (I know because you bolded that word)!

    I stand defeated.

    JT

  • MelFamy

    I found it cosmic, possibly even a miracle, that we both put the word 'pants' in the title of our latest blogs. Truly, there is a dog.

  • LifeNeedsProtection

    @Zerowing21 - Oh....I forgot...I can't debate and use scripture b/c you said it wasn't real.    My bad.

  • Zerowing21

    @LifeNeedsProtection - You can't debate with scripture because you've not given a decent reason to believe it's true.  Until that point, it's as meaningless as citing Spider-Man or the Koran.

    Moreover, you can't debate period, it seems, because you don't seem to understand how logic works.

    JT

  • LifeNeedsProtection

    @Zerowing21 - Perhaps.  We both have our shortcomings, because you don't seem to understand how faith  works.  

    I will refrain (try at least) and just enjoy reading your site from now on. 

    Toodles.

  • Zerowing21

    @LifeNeedsProtection - You don't make an argument by simply declaring something.  As far as I know, I have a damn good idea about how faith works and have written about it at length.  Perhaps you could explain *why* you think that?

    JT

  • LifeNeedsProtection

    @Zerowing21 - If you can't see it...it doesn't exist?

    We are slaves to evidence. If I offered you a billion dollars
    right now, no strings attached, and all you had to do was honestly
    believe that I have an invisible penguin on my shoulder -

    Bear with me for a moment and hear me out? 

    Once again, I must use scripture to back up what I am saying.   The biblical definition of faith.

    Hebrews 11:1, 3 (King James Version)
    Hebrews 11

     1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

     3Through
    faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so
    that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    And this isn't referring to invisible penguins or unicorns.  

    Hebrews 11:6 Without faith it is impossible to please him, for he that comes to God must believe that He is and that he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. 

    God is  about faith, therefore God does not exist until you have faith.   Logical? 

    Okay...won't bug you anymore. 



  • Jahoclave

    "God is  about faith, therefore God does not exist until you have faith.   Logical? "
    In other words, God does not exist.

    Besides, Bshullitarianism is a much better religion, you can wear as little or as much clothing as you choose, plus we have pretty pink unicorn plushies of our ungod.

  • bryantomato

    the last picture is just.... wtf =.=

  • Mriana

    I agree.  One can insert any religious belief or what have you and still come to the same conclusion.  Pascal's Wager is a really stupid argument.

  • anonymous

    I've always found Pascal's Wager simply flawed. The bet is believing in a god, of any kind, is a better bet than not. This creates the assumption that if there is a God, he will only reward you with heaven if you believe in him/her/it.

    What if God purposely made his/her/its own existence so incredibly unlikely and unreasonable because God wants us to think rationally? What if God is testing to see if people will behave rationally or just follow blindly? What if God really rewards the atheists for thinking rationally instead of the religious who follow without evidence? Since evidence for God's existence has shown to always be flawed or impossible, how can we say "God" didn't make it like that on purpose to see if people will follow evidence over superstition, and then reward those who follow the evidence? If this is the case, it means atheism is just as good a bet to wager on as any religion. If there is a God, there's no way of knowing what he/she/it wants us to do as people, or what behavior God rewards. For all we know, God rewards atheists.

    tl;dr: Pascal's Wager assumes that God would only reward those who worship him/her/it. God could just as likely and logically be rewarding atheists. No matter what you bet on, religion, agnosticism, atheism, the odds are all the same.

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