Monday, 15 June 2009
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We live on a piece of dust
For everybody who thinks god crafted the cosmos for you.
And for those thinking that the incomprehensible vastness of the cosmos is the awe-inspiring work of a creator who holds this pidly little species as most important, you are either delusional or, more likely, you clearly know very little about the universe. But I'll bet you know what first-century goat-herders thought about it really well...
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I like that video; I'm going to have to remember to share it with a friend who just found the Size of Our World pictures. The size comparison I've found to be the most mindblowing, however, is that of a hydrogen atom to a proton, because of just how much empty space everything consists of. I like being incomprehensibly small and insignificant to the universe as a whole =)
it was more like 10th-to-15th century bc goat herders. and yes. they must have been right. antiquity is infallible.
Yep, we are nothing but the universe's dust mites!
In this mindset, once again you are affirming Man's knowledge and trusting in it? So be it.
And what is the purpose? Why did everything exist?
@LifeNeedsProtection - Has it occurred to you that what you think you know about god is "man's knowledge?"
Next time you get hungry or thirsty, think about which one you have to thank: "man's knowledge" or faith. Same with medicine. Same with travel. Same with communication.
Wanna see what the world looks like without knowledge? Open a history book. Faith has not provided us with a single helpful discovery in its entire history, while knowledge has made your life a utopia compared to generations before you.
And yet here you are, a teacher, scoffing at knowledge as though you've found something better. I lack the eloquence to describe that kind of idiocy.
JT
@Zerowing21 - AMEN to your response to @LifeNeedsProtection
Words are simply unavailable to describe such twisted, backwards mentality in the face of the evidence. Wilfull ignorance comes to mind, but that seems WAY too tame.
Ah yes, "Horton Hears a Who" theory.. I've always likened the bible to a Dr Seuss story... doesn't rhyme quite as nice tho. Guess "god" isn't all that creative.
@LifeNeedsProtection - So man's knowledge is of no consequence then... In spite of the obvious allure (and evidence of manuipulation and exploitation) of controlling the superstitious and religious through "scriptures" and "events" that cannot be proven to ever have taken place (and has a high likelyhood of being no more than phillosophical metaphors taken out of context) we should denounce our responsibility to even TRY and understand our surroundings before resigning ourselves to the idea that a book written by people who thought the earth was flat, is all we ever need to know.... Makes perfect sense.
N GOD MUST B LIK, 4 BAZILLYON TYMEZ THA SIZE OF DAT BIG STAR DERE
GAW HEZ AMAZIN N GR8
- John
Ha! I was going to post this video as well. Well stated response to @LifeNeedsProtection.
This is wicked, I LOVE visuals to help explain the massive-ness of the universe. Keep this wicked space videos comin :D
@ginsu417 - But this is were we differ. I believe in the total 100% inerrancy of the Word of God. IF God says He is Truth and the Only One....then why would GOD impose on man errors in His Word ? Logically, HE could not, therefore, God would make sure His Word was true.
@LifeNeedsProtection - But this is were we differ. I believe in
the total 100% inerrancy of the Word of Bob the Car Salesman. IF Bob says This Mitsubishi will go 1000 mph and never need an oil change....then why would BOB impose on me errors in His
Word ? Logically, HE could not, therefore, Bob would make sure His
Word was true.
And if the knowledge of man says that cars don't go 1000 mph and last any decent amount of time without an oil change, well, I'll just have to put my faith in Bob.
Can you explain to me how your position is distinguishable from proud and unchanging gullibility?
JT
@Zerowing21 - Sorry, but I must disagree....medicine and faith can go hand in hand. Many esteemed doctors and journals have agreed. So why can't you?
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/episodes/september-12-2008/dr-ben-carson/656/
http://www.newsnet5.com/health/16363548/detail.html
http://scienceandreligiontoday.blogspot.com/2008/08/many-believe-god-can-heal-when-doctors.html
@LifeNeedsProtection - I'm aware that people believe that god can heal people. Many people pray their children to death because of that belief.
People also believe in homeopathy, talking snakes, and that raping virgins will cure AIDS. Prayer, along with all of them, is absent from the scientific/medical literature for a very good reason: there is no supporting evidence for them. Meanwhile, you're linking me what lay people believe and expecting me to accept the testimony of some lady who had in unexplained recovery over medical experts. No dice.
It does no good to cite that a successful doctor believes a man rose from the dead - his talent as a surgeon does not make him an authority on the divine, and you can bet that when he separated those twins he did so using modern medicine, not prayer. Some brilliant doctors are Muslim, other Scientologists. The appeal to authority does not make their religions any more true, just as your doctors skill with a scalpel does not, in any way, mean he has evidence that a man rose from the dead 2,000 years ago.
It also does no good to cite someone who had an unexpected recovery and makes a huge logical leap to it being god (how does she know it wasn't because her son wore a red T-shirt that day? Does she have more evidence for the god hypothesis?), and what the general citizenry believes as though the beliefs of non-experts trumps the understanding of doctors on medicine. These people don't know the first thing about medicine except for the doctor in the first link. Far from illustrating that "faith and medicine go hand in hand" these links suggest that the only people who believe such nonsense are not doctors. Instead, faith leads us to believe that praying for somebody will heal their afflications, that people can rise from the dead, etc - these things could not conflict with science more. Faith has not provided a single medical treatment, and has been eroded as a means to treat disease (you mean sickness isn't caused by demons and I should just wash my hands instead?) over the last 4,000 years.
Moreover, when the efficacy of prayer is put into a controlled environment to be observed, it fails. We shouldn't use unexplained phenomenon as a means to say we can explain those phenomenon - otherwise Allah exists according to Alcedes Moreno. Are you ready to convert to Muslim now? If not, why not? Isn't this the same evidence you just handed me and expected me to forsake all the experts in lieu of magic?
Now, explain to me how what you're saying is distinguishable from willful delusion and frank stupidity. The fact that you are a teacher is an affront to our education system, given how little comprehension you have for reliable research and logic, as well as your overt disdain for (man's) knowledge. Moreover, the fact that you are incessantly asking myself and others to spoon feed you information you've gone out of your way to ignore as if there was a chance you'd suddenly sprout an interest in abiding by the facts is a rather shoddy way to behave, and a poor example to set for the next generation of a world entirely dependent on the knowledge and discoveries of humankind.
JT
@LifeNeedsProtection - I can tell you for certain that a number of the translations in and of
themselves are incorrect, which kind of debunks your "god won't let it
be wrong" idea. A lot of people believe 2pac is
alive, and even more believe that identity thieves are after credit card
money and not legal credentials with which to travel in and out of the
country. Hitler believed he was doing the world a service by eliminating weaknesses in the gene pool. Just because people in large groups buy into something does not give give the theory immunity to inquiry, or assumption of truth. So what, other than electrical signals in your brain (of
which integrity is under question at this point) constitutes acceptance
of the myths of the king james bible, over the legend of Thor? Please explain how your conclusions about the origins of life, the divine, and the bible (most of which I KNOW to be philisophical ramblings taken out of context) have any merit over the beliefs of the ancient Greeks, Mayans, Aztecs, or Romans - other than... you believing one story over the other... And even further, how does belief in these concepts without proof, somehow justify rejection of the theories of science, which do have proof, and are part of enhancing every day life... Based on my assessment of most people who have accepted that system of beliefs, their logical processes are fundamentally flawed in that they believe the outlandish claims in the bible have any more merit than any other world religion (most of which we know are just superstitious horse manure).
@Zerowing21 - @LifeNeedsProtection - @ginsu417 - Actually there is evidence that Prayer doesn't help one bit and actually hurts in some instances. http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/31/science/sci-prayer31
I know, I know LNP is immune to evidence, logic and reason....she is a soldier and does and beleive what she is told but....worth a try??
@tendollar4ways - The more people I talk to, the more I truly believe that strength in a system of faith that flies in the face of fact and alters ones perception of reality such that someone is capable of turning even the most basic of truths on its head at a moments notice - it has to be a result of neurological dysfunction. It's almost a bipolarity or schizophrenic type of disorder, where compartmentalization of logical concepts over long periods of time physically imposes a sort of atrophy across neurological pathways and disconnect the ability to process concepts that conflict with faith. I postulate that it's a result of psychological trauma, where the person clings to a system of beliefs in something like a survivalist instinct, because their entire life is built upon it - and it causes parts of the brain to shut down when they sense an attack, to protect themselves... Kind of like the way victims of horrific crimes find it difficult to recall the day they were attacked.
@ginsu417 - I tend to agree. I argue with many a theist and it always amazes me how so many of them act almost exactly the same. They flat out make shit up out of thin air to support their claims, they siply lie....and thus it is true in their minds. Things that I can easily refute with links to the contrary and when you ask the for any kind of evidence....usually they go to name calling or simply ignore you. This behavior is like that of a small child but it amazes me that so many act the same way. It is a disorder of some kind for sure.
This is like the opposite of Intelligent Design arguments.
What I liked most was that the video came with a catchy tune.
I agree 100% with @Zerowing21 - and @ginsu417 - . And, @NikBv - , you're awesome. =]
Mark 16: 17-18 makes me lul
This video almost made me cry. It's so amazing.
It just affirms my beliefs that all this cannot be the result of a "God" who proclaims to only accept Muslims, or Christians, or whatever faith in the afterlife.
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE!