Thursday, 02 December 2010
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Jesus never existed
I was reading cracked.com this morning (Five Things You Won't Believe Aren't In The Bible), when I was reminded of David Fitzgerald's recent post on Atheism Resource in which he shows us an excerpt of his book, NAILED: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All. In it, David goes through some preliminary explanations for how we can know a historical Jesus never existed. Enjoy.
Didn’t There Have to Have Been a Jesus?Most people have never heard of the ancient Greek mythographer Euhemerus, who first theorized that the gods of mythology were deified human beings, and their myths based on legends sprung from accounts of real people and events. So many might be surprised to find that they are Euhemerists on the subject of Jesus. That is to say, though they may not believe Jesus was the divine Christ that Christianity venerates as the Son of God and savior of the world, and may regard accounts of the miracles and wonders attending him as mere legendary accretion, nevertheless they certainly believe there had to have been a central figure that began Christianity.
Perhaps he was just a wandering teacher or an exorcist, an apocalyptic prophet or a zealot who opposed the Romans. Perhaps he was all these things, or even a composite of several such early first-century figures; but at any rate, surely there had to be somebody at the original core of Christianity, arguably the most famous individual in human history. All this seems to be a perfectly reasonable, completely natural assumption to make – so why would anyone be so foolish as to propose that Jesus never existed?
Doesn’t it just make more sense to assume that there was a historical Jesus, even if we are unable to recover the real facts about his life and death? As it turns out, no. The opposite is true: the closer we look at the evidence for Jesus, the less solid evidence we find; and the more we find suspicious silences and curious resemblances to the pagan and Jewish religious ideas and philosophies that preceded Christianity. And once you begins to parse out the origins of this tradition or that teaching from their various sources, the sweater begins unraveling quickly until it becomes very difficult to buy that there ever was – or even could have been – any historical figure at the center.
Christianity, like all religious movements, was born from mythmaking; and nowhere is this clearer than when we examine the context from which Jesus sprang. The supposed historical underpinning of Jesus, which apologists insist differentiates their Christ from the myriad other savior gods and divine sons of the ancient pagan world, simply does not hold up to investigation.
On the contrary, the closer we examine the official story, or rather stories, of Christianity (or Christianities!), the quicker it becomes apparent that the figure of the historical Jesus has traveled with a bodyguard of widely accepted, seldom examined untruths for over two millennia…
It’s true enough that the majority of Biblical historians do not question the historicity of Jesus – but then again, the majority of Biblical historians have always been Christian preachers, so what else could we expect them to say? For all their bluster, the truth is that for as long as there have been Christian writings, there have been critics who have disputed Christian claims and called events from the Gospel stories into question. And since at least the 18th century a growing number of historians have raised serious problems that cast Jesus’ historicity into outright doubt, as we’ll see.
Jesus vs. Julius Caesar
For instance, historian Richard Carrier has pointed out the problems with Christian apologist Douglas Geivett’s claim that the evidence for Jesus’ resurrection meets “the highest standards of historical inquiry,” and is as certain as Julius Caesar’s crossing of the Rubicon in 49 B.C.E. Carrier notes, “Well, it is common in Christian apologetics, throughout history, to make absurdly exaggerated claims, and this is no exception.” Then he compares the evidence for both events:
First of all, we have Caesar’s own account. In contrast, we have nothing written by Jesus, and we do not know who really wrote any of the Gospels. Second, many of Caesar’s enemies reported the crossing of the Rubicon. But we have no hostile or even neutral records of the resurrection until over a hundred years after the supposed event, fifty years after Christian beliefs had become widely known. Third, there are numerous inscriptions, coins, mentions of battles, conscriptions and judgments, which form an almost continuous chain of evidence for Caesar’s entire march. But there is no physical evidence of any kind in the case of Jesus.
Fourth, almost every historian of the period reports the Rubicon crossing, including the most prominent of the Roman age: Suetonius, Appian, Cassius Dio and Plutarch. Moreover, these scholars have shown proven reliability, since a great many of their reports on other matters have been confirmed with material evidence and in other sources. In addition, they all quote and name many different sources, showing a wide reading of the witnesses and documents, and they consistently show a desire to critically examine claims for which there is any dispute. If that wasn’t enough, all of them cite or quote sources written by witnesses, hostile and friendly, of the Rubicon crossing and its repercussions.
But not a single historian mentions the resurrection until the 3rd and 4th centuries, and then only Christian historians. Of the anonymous Gospel authors, only “Luke” even claims to be writing history, but neither Luke nor any of the others ever cite any other sources or show signs of a skilled or critical examination of conflicting claims. None have any other literature or scholarship to their credit that we can test for their skill and accuracy. Their actual identities are completely unknown, and all overtly declare their bias towards persuading new converts.
Finally, the Roman Civil War could not have proceeded as it did if Caesar had not physically crossed the Rubicon with his army into Italy and captured Rome. Yet the only thing necessary to explain the rise of Christianity is a belief — a belief that the resurrection happened. There is nothing that an actual resurrection would have caused that could not have been caused by a mere belief in that resurrection. Thus, an actual resurrection is not necessary to explain all subsequent history, unlike Caesar’s crossing of the Rubicon. Carrier concludes that while we have many reasons to believe that Caesar crossed the Rubicon, all of them are lacking in the case of the resurrection:
“In fact, when we compare all five points, we see that in four of the five proofs of an event’s historicity, the resurrection has no evidence at all, and in the one proof that it does have, it has not the best, but the very worst kind of evidence — a handful of biased, uncritical, unscholarly, unknown, second-hand witnesses. Indeed, you really have to look hard to find another event that is in a worse condition than this as far as evidence goes.”1
So even before we begin to examine Jesus’ resurrection, we are forced to recognize that the historical evidence for it, and all the other extraordinary events of Jesus’ career, is not only far from ironclad, but already suspect. So there is nothing unreasonable about taking a skeptical approach to the Gospels’ image of Jesus in the first place. And it’s important to note that we are not just talking about the divine man-god Jesus coming under fire, because it is not just the supernatural aspects of Jesus that have come under suspicion. Even the mundane and perfectly plausible-sounding aspects of Jesus’ life have proved to be problematic…
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@bakersdozen2 - Now you're just namecalling and asserting a position based on your personal beliefs.
The book above with ten good arguments against the existence of a historical figure based on historical research is a directly refutation of that assertion that my position is not based on reality or facts.
Sure, there's room for discussion of the correct interpretation of the facts. But you're just resorting to flying off in fantasyland.
@Volizden - As the many witnesses to the historical Jesus began to circulate their writings or oral traditions, they would have had an audience to critique what they were putting forth as fact (not legend). They weren't creating a story to explain the origin of our existence something which could not truly be verified by contemporaries. This is in fact one of the arguments for the existence of Jesus. His contemporaries did NOT contest either the writings or the oral traditions which were by this point numerous.
You're dismissing these men as if their testimony rests on what character assassinations skeptics can conjure up 2000 years later. Has it not occurred to you that these writings/stories would be widely contested most especially by the Roman government as well as the Jewish council who were accused of killing a non existent man...... really?
Keep this is mind as Christianity spread quickly throughout the Empire. It does seem like it could have been a story quite easily squelched. This is why the smart skeptic does not deal with the historicity of Jesus.
@EricBeck - See above response to Volizden.
I'm am not an adherent of any type of churchianity, organized or disorganized religion or religious right zeebs, but the historicity of Christ's existance is beyond scrutiny, inspite of the specious arguments of this Fitzgerald person. The minutes of the trial of Christ are documented in Victor Duruy's "History of Rome and of the roman people" 1882. The romans were very meticulously careful about their own history, even the negative aspects of that history. Tiberius Caesar was so enraged at the illegality of the trial that he ordered the arrest of Pontius Pilate and sentenced him to death for the mis-carrige of judgement."Bakers Dozen2" has made some very intelligent arguments in the light of a lot of opposition.
@bakersdozen2 - Have it your way. Will publicly flog you in the morning.
JT
@errolmartins - Victor Duruy existed in the 19th century and therefor not a viable candidate for the proof of Jesus HOWEVER you state:
"The minutes of the trial of Christ are documented in Victor Duruy's "History of Rome and of the roman people" 1882."
Which is impossible as there are NO minutes, and NO official recordings of a trial of Jesus by the Romans. Therefore this is a false statement and you either dont know this and are parroting something you heard of read without confirming, OR are deliberately providing misinformation.
@bakersdozen2 - More on Suetonius
Roman historian Suetonius wrote a history book The 12 Caesars about the lives of the 12 Caesars (at the time) according to Roman history.
The thing is, he had incredible access to the royal archives full of contemporary descriptions of dead emperors, yet his book ended up more like a gossip column than an actual history.Suetonius was apparently bored by the military and political victories of those in charge; instead he spends most of his time talking about way-too intimate details of their lives, especially those revolving around feasts and sex. So while the historian may not talk much about his Gaul campaign, we do learn that Julius Caesar wore a wig, and Augustus wore high heels to look taller.
So in other words the man had a Propensity for not sticking to historical accounts and was not a solid historical writer.
cool... i'm out having a beer with my hubby, will be glad to skewer you on my blog as well, -hope you're brave enough to venture outside of your comfort zone here.... cheers!
There's a loooot of holes in this. But, I assume if you really want to know the truth, that you'll research it thoroughly from all sides, so you'll eventually find that out for yourself.
Lacking corroborating evidence for Jesus' resurrection does not equate to evidence that Jesus never existed. You've supported the former in this blog. You've said absolutely nothing about the latter. The title and thesis are entirely inappropriate. If you want to link the criticism of the historocity of the ressurection to the existence of Jesus the man, then you have a lot to qualify. That is a large chasm you seem to be taking as nonexistent.
@kenedwards5 - "Holy crap, this threatens my Christian faith! I better blindly reject it without explaining why! Praise Jesus!"
Good blog, JT. There is little, if any, evidence for a historical Jesus. If he truly performed the miracles the gospels said he did, surely word would have spread throughout the empire?
@TheThinkingPerson -
"If he truly performed the miracles the gospels said he did, surely word would have spread throughout the empire?"Ummm, it did... Christians were thrown into the coliseum and killed by lions and other wild animals; the word spread throughout the empire even to the corners of Britannia; And yet the Church continued to grow; there was even a Reformation within the church and still it marched on; pagan festivals were appropriated and transformed into Christian holidays; and still the church grew and here we are 2000 years later talking about a "non-existent man". All because "word spread throughout the empire". Btw, one of those old Pagan holidays that we successfully commandeered is right around the corner...... (Christmas) :D
Have a Merry one!!
@anonymous - This is true and the very reason why those who are actually educated on the subject debate the resurrection and not the existence.
@howsaboutsomemilk - He doesn't
@Volizden - Would you consider modern liberal historians illegitimate because they mention such frivolous details as Nancy Reagan's obsession with Astrology, or how much she spent decorating The White House? These, after all, are just delicious bits of gossip meant to satisfy the disgruntled critics of Ronald Reagan.
my family was raised into praying and worshiping God. then later my brother admit to me years ago that he has no longer believe in God Himself but he does however believe that there WAS a man named Jesus who has all this ability who have walked on Earth once upon a time but it has nothing to do with God.
i can see why he would think like that. i have no proof or any sort of way to change anyone's mind into believing in God and Jesus. though i chose to believe what i think works for me. same for everybody else. i will only be sad that once we die, if that is the end of it. because living can be amazing! life is so full of it.Meh, I'm inclined to take the Joseph Campbell route on this anyway.
@bakersdozen2 - I'm comfortable because I've done my homework and your arguments suck, not because there's support.
JT
Why are there no 1st century writings from the Jews, Greeks, or Romans stating that Jesus never existed and the story is just a myth?
@Crono09 - Nice links.
@Zerowing21 - My arguments are based on the same support William Lane Craig used to destroy Richard Carrier in their debate. Btw, he was smart enough to avoid the "Jesus didn't exist argument". That was your first mistake here.
Your title is misleading, because that's not what you claim in this post; you switch from talking about someone else's claims that Jesus never existed, to your own questions about his miracles, Caesar, etc... You bring up a lot of different points and fail to hit home on any of them, perhaps you should stick to one specific subject and focus on that.
As for Caesar, I really enjoy reading his writings, although he is terse. It's like reading reports from the front lines. I read his book on the Civil War recently, although he only wrote maybe a third of that book.
On the subject of the existence of Christ, only the lunatic fringe hardcore negative skeptics believe that he didn't exist. I'm a Christian, so obviously I believe in the existence of Christ, but putting that aside I'm also a grad student in history and archaeology, and even the most atheistic professors that I've worked with would completely laugh at you if you said that Jesus Christ was a fictional character.
One of the best known skeptics of all time was Saul. He actually killed Christians! After his conversion, the apostle Paul wrote 1 Corinthians around 55 AD. (Not centuries later as the writer asserted. And atheists like to say we stretch the facts). The apostle Paul not only states that over 500 people saw Jesus at one time after His resurrection, he also said at the time of his writing that most of them were still alive! In other words, he was saying, if you don't believe me, go ask the people who actually saw Jesus alive.
After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain to this present, but some are fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:6
@Volizden - Yeah right, Duruy is not viable because you say so right? Historians from the past are more trust worthy than contemporary ones because they're closer to the action in time and are free from the distractions of this complex age, therefore were able to focus and devote themselves to their projects. I guess Josephus and Pliny the Elder are not viable also, right. I may not be a churchy person, but of this I'm sure, after you are buried and have turned to worms, Christ's name and actions will go on unabated and you will and your words will be long forgoten as you sleep in silence.