Thursday, 09 December 2010
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God won't like this...
Boy, this will make baby Jesus cry. It's all the things Christians hate: homosexuality and science, all rolled into one!
And his followers will probably be moved to witness to people over it.
Props to Phil Ferguson and Lea CF for the links.
Also, this post may set a record for most tags: entries by jt, science, faith, gay rights, and humor. I rule.
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Cool! Now I'm gonna wait for the two mice moms ;D
*gasp* Two mice fathers?! Oh em GEE! That's wrong and gross and yucky and... *starts to rant*
That mouse is adorable and so is his little sign. Sorry, I'm not contributing to the conversation intillectually. I just wanted to comment on the mouse.
Not really. Most of my early physics books from fifty years ago start out with Biblical quotes.
I had some issues with some angels for a bit, and they're pretty science-based as well.
Aren't you cute.
They might also be pissed off being stem cells come from aborted babies and cords.
The sign is cute though *swoon*
You menfolk just can't let women have anything all their own... Sheesh.
You really make me smile at your naivity when you say Christians are threatened by science. Just what ill-informed people have you been listening to now?
BTW, note that this technique is done by intelligent designers. I didn't think this was allowed!
@kenedwards5 - Yes, silly me thinking that virgin births or people rising from the dead may be contradicted by biology. I know you're not threatened by science: you have a degree in science. :P
Order can be the product of artificial selection or by genetic tinkering, but that doesn't nullify natural selection as a means to produce order over long periods. I learned that in BIO 110. Didn't figure you'd need a reminder, what with a science degree and all. :P
JT
Just a bit of clarification: the process does not allow men to reproduce on their own. It still requires 2 women, one for the blastocyst and one for that whole birthing process.
Genetically though, the mice only contain info from the fathers.
@kenedwards5 - Ok sir, I've decided to give you a chance. Maybe you do have a degree. So here's my proposition: assuming your name is Ken Edwards, I'll need to know what school you got your degree from, what type of degree, and where you taught, if you don't mind. Then I'll do some research. Hell, I'll even look up your thesis and read it.
JT
Now why wouldn't G-d love this? After all, he made it possible. It's just some of his followers who will be majorly upset by the fact that their G-d is not as rightwing as they are.
@hevcoh - WIN!
@Zerowing21 - Any with intelligence will tell you that miracles are outside the realm of science. Science deals with repeatable events which by definition miracles are not. God is not bound by the natural laws he has made and at times over-rides them. And I tell you what young man - he even does it WITHOUT the permission of either you or Professor Dawkins! Wow! fancy that!
@Zerowing21 - again I smile at your condescending naivity. 'I will give you a chance'. As if it matters to me what someone like you think about me! Just who do you think you are? You really have got one on yourself! It's really laughable and if you think I'll give details away on a site like this! Sorry but I'm not that stupid!! Just one hint - for goodness sake stop thinking you are the centre of the universe. And try and broaden your mind somewhat by considering other opinions different to your own.
The post is more of an indifference of interpretation. Not all christians are a sticks in the mud. There are christians that can take a joke and believe in science.
@kenedwards5 - So...no chance you'll tell me where you got your degree or where you taught? Would it entice if I told you I have a bet with another xangan over whether or not you have a degree and that I'm presently winning? You don't want me to win, do you?
JT
@sw33tw3asl3 - I would respond that very few Christians really believe in science, since the idea of rising from the dead is in complete contradiction to scientific principles. I do think that many of them compartmentalize their religious beliefs, and are ok with science so long as it's not informing their opinions on virgin births, global floods, walking on water, etc.
JT
@Zerowing21 - honestly, I couldn't care less! If you can't accept my word for it then you can do the other thing.
@Zerowing21 - no, you are wrong in saying that. You misunderstand science. Science is not something that governs us. That's a wrong way of looking at things. Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the natural world. The resurrection was a miraculous and supernatural phenomenon. It therefore lies outside the realm of scientific explanation. To say something like the resurrection is 'unscientific' is to mis-use both science and theology. The miraculous does not contradict scientific laws - it trancends them. Miraculous events by definition cannot be explained by science. You can say you don't believe in them - that's your privilege. But to call them 'unscientific' is illogical.
As for 'believing in science' I don't think you really know what you mean by that. I don't 'believe in science' - I study the observations and the laws it proves and the predictions that we can get from it. Science is a discipline full of delightful surprises, such as Onnes found in his experiments on superconductivity. However, to 'believe in science' is both inappropriate and dangerous because science cannot tell us the rights and the wrongs of what we are doing. Einstein's equation might tell us that mass can be converted to energy but it cannot tell us whether it is right or wrong to make a bomb using this principle. That was something that gave the great man much agony in later life!
I just wish I'd have had you in my science class. I'd have tried to get over to you to enjoy science but realise it's limitations. I'd sorry if I sometimes appear rude (I am!) but I'd love to get you out of the intellectual box you are in. It's really so narrow. You probably won't agree with me now but science hasn't all the answers. It can teach us an enormous amount but it's not the whole story. As Feynmann said, 'If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.'
And as for scepticism - intellectual and spiritual poverty!
@Zerowing21 - Word to the wise, JT: ignore ken. It's really hard to argue with someone who has their head that far up their ass, so I wouldn't bother.
@kenedwards5 - Your dishonesty has won me dinner. Thanks. :)
JT
@TheThinkingPerson - one day young man, you might one day learn to think! I hope so!
@kenedwards5 - I may offer you the same advice.
@kenedwards5 - And also, a personal question. What is it with your obsession with telling people they "can't think" or "aren't good at thinking"? Denying evolution and trying to rewrite history doesn't make your cognitive functions superior to my own.