Friday, 07 January 2011

  • Good News Clubs

    I'm doing research into how high school groups work (since that's now my job and everything), and I've come across a type of club called the Good News Club.  Their goal is to proselytize to children on public school campuses, trying to blend in with the school.  They even have special books without words for evangelizing to children who are too young to read.

    For any religious people who say that faith can survive on reason alone and doesn't need insidious tactics, what can you say about this?  The CEF, the group running these clubs, cites that most Christians came to belief between the ages of 4-14.  This is a time in cognitive development when kids are hard-wired to trust authority figures and when their capacity for doubt is not yet fully developed.  Is it a mystery why religious groups prey upon target children?

    The problem is that these groups can't be stopped legally.  The Equal Access Act dictates, rightly in my opinion, that religious clubs must be allowed the same group status as any other student-led group in public schools.  The issue is that groups like the Good News Club bend the rules.  They know they're legally not allowed to proselytize on school ground, so they register these groups as bible studies before abandoning the 'study' aspect and going after their stated goal of indoctrinating children.  In his dissenting opinion in Good News Club vs. Milford Central High School, Justice Souter pointed out how obvious this deception was.

    It is beyond question that Good News intends to use the public school premises not for the mere discussion of a subject from a particular, Christian point of view, but for an evangelical service of worship calling children to commit themselves in an act of Christian conversion. The majority avoids this reality only by resorting to the bland and general characterization of Good News's activity as 'teaching of morals and character, from a religious standpoint'. If the majority's statement ignores reality, as it surely does, then today's holding may be understood only in equally generic terms. Otherwise, indeed, this case would stand for the remarkable proposition that any public school opened for civic meetings must be opened for use as a church, synagogue, or mosque.

    So as long as they're willing to keep lying about their purpose (which they clearly are) and as long as the Supreme Court is willing to indulge them in their dishonesty (which, in this configuration, they clearly are) there's really not much to be done.  So far my ideas are to attend their meetings as a nontheistic parent or to institute some kind of program that augments awareness of these kind of practices.  You can bet I'll be popping by a meeting or two here in Columbus.

    Good News Clubs embody the tactics as well as the morality of evangelism: give candy to people who don't understand science, philosophy, and other disciplines that inform a rationalized world view and hope they convert.  Or threaten people with hell/punishment.  Get them at an age when they still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy, because once they're old enough to appreciate reality the stories of talking snakes and a person rising from the dead are done for.  Is there a more perfect victim for them than children, especially when they're pretending to be affiliated with the schools these children trust?  Tell me again how we need religion to be moral.

    I've said it before, I'll say it again: these people just, fucking, lie.  They lie, they cheat, they do anything but play fair.  And people wonder why I'm so interested in opposing them.

     

Comments (16)

  • yarnspnr

    My grandson (he's 8) was forced by his other grandmother to attend an afterschool club of this sort set up in his school by a local church.  I found out about it one day while having a discussion where I mentioned something to my wife about god and he was listening in on our conversation.  He piped up, "Pa Pa, you don't believe in god?"  I answered him truthfully, "No I don't."  I know his parents don't go to church so I wondered why he would be concerned about my belief in god.  I later found out about the after school club.   It's good we have people like you around to contend with stuff like this.  More people should be made aware of what these groups are doing.

  • Zerowing21

    @yarnspnr - Thank you for that.  I'm doing everything in my power.

    JT

  • interstellarmachine

    "so they register these groups as bible studies before abandoning the
    'study' aspect and going after their stated goal of indoctrinating
    children."

    You ought to sign up for their Mailbox Club, you might learn something!

  • yarnspnr

    @interstellarmachine - I went to their site and wasn't surprised to see that their top priority was begging for money. It would be laughable if the organization wasn't targeting children.

  • interstellarmachine

    @yarnspnr - At least it is better than taking it by force of law like public schools do.

  • Zerowing21

    @interstellarmachine - You're seriously railing against public education?  If so, do I need to point out how that kind of makes my point for me?

    JT

  • interstellarmachine

    @Zerowing21 - I am "railing" against how public education gets its money. Why should adults without kids pay more taxes to send other people's kids to school, people who are getting a tax break for having those kids.  It is interesting that yarnspnr is"railing" against the way CEF gets its money when it is the same way that your choice resource gets its money.

  • dingus6

    I have to sympathize with interstellarmachine. Public schools apparently didn't do a thing for him.

    When I was young we had Youth for Christ in school, but the only kids who joined were dorks who already had no social life beyond church. Kids are curious, but not as stupid as we might suppose.

  • Zerowing21

    @interstellarmachine - Because education fosters a better society?  If we itemized all taxes (ie, no taxes going to streets for people who don't drive), then you'd have a nightmare on your hands.  Everybody contributes to the society.

    @dingus6 - Agreed, Dingus.

    JT

  • interstellarmachine

    @Zerowing21 - Good"education fosters a better society."

  • In_Reason_I_Trust

    As usual, the interstellarmachine is faulty. It's missing a lot of fuses. LOL! 

  • yarnspnr

    @interstellarmachine - Yes, I know what you mean.  Here in Ohio the voters rejected a bill that would have raised school taxes by 2 pennies.  The result?  Teacher layoffs across the board causing larger class sizes.  Closing of schools at all levels.  Elemination of bussing for children causing some kids to have to walk or find their own transportation from as many as 5-10 miles away.  The lowering of non-union saleries.  Elimination of adult crossing guards.  Elemination of school security.  Elemination of school sports and after class clubs.  I always have to laugh when people scream for lower taxes then those same people have a snitfit when they lose the resources those taxes would have paid for.

  • anonymous

    JT, that's interesting about full mental development happening after the age when most Christians "take up the cross." Sadly, I'm a sentimentalist, and never throw anything away, even an out-dated belief. I'm like, an idea hoarder. Here are some other thoughts: I wish we had you in on the great death penalty abolition movement. If you'd give a mere 10% of your thoughts and writings to it, that would be helpful. Think of it as a tithe. (New paragraph) Affiliated with the schools these children trust? Uh... is trust the verb you want there? Because, I think "are required to attend" is a better way to put it. Did you trust schools growing up? I went because it was compulsory. Also because it was better than home. But, trusting a school, or even a teacher, I never went that far. I trusted that they were there because they were getting paid, and to a certain extent because they wanted to be there, for one of many reasons. (New paragraph) Did Brother Jed run you off of campus? That's very sad that you let him win Missouri State. (New paragraph) I thought school was about socialization, not education. I stand by "reading alone for hours on end" as still the best form of education. (New paragraph) I wish I could've witnessed to you when you were 5. (New paragraph) Are you offended to the same extent about other entities preying on young children? These fat children eat horrible food that they see advertised on terrible television programming. (New paragraph)  Well, I'm glad to see you're continuing the good work. Christ be with you. And, you're welcome for the editing help.

  • Zerowing21

    Daniel,

    Horde ideas all you like.  Don't believe the silly ones.  I'll write about the death penalty if I feel compelled to.

    Yes, I did trust my teachers in kindergarten/elementary.  The brain is essentially programmed to trust authority at that age.

    Brother Jed did not run me off campus.  I got a great job somewhere else and will still go protest Jed at the OSU campus.  You're an ass.

    You probably do wish you could have witnessed to me at five, before my critical thinking faculties were intact.  That's the time to convince people of Allah, Jesus, Santa, the Tooth Fairy, etc - right when they're defenseless.  It says a lot of you and your faith that you'd be chomping at the bit to 'witness' then.

    Yes, obesity is bad.  That doesn't make preying upon their undeveloped mind good.  What is wrong with you?

    Christ is not with me, reason forbids it.  Your condescending tone is palpable and a boost to the idea that Christianity makes people smarmy.  Thanks.

    JT

  • monkeyboytoo

    Yes, my church sponsors a Good News Club.  Go Good News Clubs!  You are in error though, the Good News Clubs are not lying or cheating.  They are speaking the truth, God's truth.  Thanks for promoting the Good News Club on your site! :)

  • kittencollector

    JT,


    I appreciate you. And congratulations on the new job. Please don't take "Christ be with you" too seriously. I just thought it would be a funny thing to tell an atheist.


    In Christ,


    Dan'l

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