Tuesday, 18 January 2011
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Why can't you leave us alone?
This comes courtesy of The Thinking Atheist, and it's perfect.
The protests come every day from the religious, and they go something like this:
"Why spend your time disproving God?"
"Why not just let people believe what they want to believe?"
"Why can't you leave religion alone?"
As one YouTube commenter said recently, "No one can explain to me why it is so important to convince theists to abandon their beliefs."
The answer is simple. Pages like this one exist because religion exists.
Religion permeates our culture, shows up on our doorsteps with literature, scriptures and threats of eternal damnation, influences our science books, contaminates our political systems, indoctrinates our children and postulates that its doctrine must be followed, lest we be destroyed in body, in soul, or both.
Non-believers are simply responding to the avalanche of religious messages that bears down upon us daily.
Religion gets carte blanche to be as vocal as it wants, to knock on our doors and accost us in our homes, in our places of work, in our personal and professional lives. Believers are charged with a life mission to preach, teach, disciple, shout it from the mountaintops and to "go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." Religion...is everywhere.
Ask yourself. When's the last time an atheist rang your doorbell with the Good News of Humanism? How often do you find Richard Dawkins books in the dresser drawers of your hotel rooms? When was the last atheist temple erected in your neighborhood? Have you ever attended an atheist revival? Has atheism demanded 10% of your household income? How many dedicated atheist television channels come through your satellite dish? How many atheist verses were you instructed to memorize as a child? When's the last time someone thanked a FARMER (or even the cook) at the dinner table instead of God?
On a more radical front, what's the name of the last atheist who sawed the head off of an "infidel?" Or sentenced a shrouded woman to death for displeasing an oppressive husband? Or strapped explosives to his belt in order to kill hundreds in a public square? Or publicly hung a gay person for his choice of lifestyle?
It's everywhere. Religion is a pounding drum that has gone mostly unanswered for a long, long time. And religion is not satisfied with merely existing quietly in the homes and hearts of the faithful. Its very nature compels the believer to proselytize, preach, promote, convince, convert and prevail. If you play on the team of the religious, your game plan is to stay, always, on offense.
Throughout our history, those who raise a simple hand of protest against these advances have been portrayed as the real problem. Religion has attempted to marginalize and defeat legitimate questions and concerns by indignantly portraying any resistors as misguided, immoral, rudderless, angry, miserable, lost and alone.
And when skepticism challenges wildly improbable (or impossible) stories found in the bible, the Qur'an and other holy books, the religious wail, "Why can't you just leave us alone?"
The irony is thick.
And religion impedes curiosity and inhibits learning, as the much-maligned Creation Museum proves. It stymies critical thinking. It stretches us to believe the unbelievable. And it poisons the foundational teachings we are using to train up the generations of tomorrow.
Pages like mine exist as a response... a counter-argument to ensure that the cacophony of superstition does not go unchallenged. And if your belief system is so undeniable, so factual, so provable, so real and so true, certainly it can withstand the opposing viewpoints presented here and elsewhere. Certainly, it can survive the acid tests.
Just remember. Religion began the argument. It amplifies itself before the world. And it threatens all mankind with punishment upon its rejection.
We are atheists. We are moral. We are reasonable. We are thoughtful, intelligent, compassionate, happy, fulfilled and well-informed.
And as long as religion insists on fixing human beings who are not broken, we will respond with the evidence that we are not the problem.
I say we take it a step further and truly identify the problem: irrationality. It promotes stupidity and is the greatest force working against humanity - and religion tells us we need it.
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Comments (73)
If religious people can't leave us alone to convert, we won't leave them alone to get a fucking clue. Fair is fair.
In my household, we DO thank the contributors of our meal instead of God. "Thank you cow, thank you potato farmer, thank you distributor, thank you grocery store, thank you [cook] and [table-setter]."
That being said, I still think: http://www.iamanatheist.com/blog/2011/01/14/should-atheists-disrespect-religion/
I love TTA. I recently received backlash from a non-believer friend on Facebook asking me why I couldn't just quit talking about religion. I responded with a lengthy post explaining *exactly* why I can't just leave it alone. That ended the conversation and he deleted his comments.
The truth is, there are plenty of reasons to question and debate religion. You keep up your good work, JT, and I will too.
The mere fact that many religious people honestly ask "why can't you leave us alone?" is a glaring indicator of their utter disconnect from reality, history, common sense, and the most elementary level of self-awareness. *sigh* They clearly have no clue as to how religion has operated throughout history, and how they themselves are RIGHT NOW still very much on the offensive. We are simply, and finally, not sitting quietly and taking all their trampling of our rights and liberties without a fight.
I think a perfectly adequate response is simply that a person has free speech and a right to debate philosophical and intellectual issues, and that if someone doesn't want to be a part of that debate they need to stop publicly waving their religion around. "why question theists?" can easily be responded to with "why not?" There's no good reason why a person should not be able to challenge that belief like any other
I've never heard a rational argument for religion.
OK, so. I'm practicing my religion. Luckily for me, it's one that doesn't seek converts, and generally we leave our own atheists alone. I never felt that atheism was trying to convert me, plus atheists are a lot closer to me than Christians: atheists have one less G-d than I do, Christians have two more...
Failed attempts at being funny aside, I have to agree with everything you wrote: why would you hide in a corner when religions don't do the same?
Religion is a blight, a pestilence, a famine of reason, all of them, churches, temples, mosques and any place else where they gather. Oh, and why are not religious orgs. taxable in this nation? What's the basis for their exemption? They are high-profit factories of humanity, the warehousing of people. Why, just the property taxes would amount to hundreds of billions per annum. Hey, are you still reading that previous post of meeting someone in a new city? I think I offered something helpful. Let me know and I'll add an addendum.
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!! Oh wait, sorry, I mean JESUS.
People are willing to accept other people ragging or praising any book, movie, musician, fashion, and all other cultural constructs without saying, "Why is it important that you do this?" Religion is also a part of culture.
What?! There's a creation museum? Why is it that I really want to check it out? Dinosaurs are walking around with people in the garden of eden?!
I'd rather talk science. What are your thoughts on Louis Pasteur and the Theory of Biogenesis?
@blamemetoo - Pasteur was wrong, and this is demonstrable scientifically. ;)
JT
@blamemetoo - I thank Pasteur all the time for developing pasteurization so my dairy products will be fresh and tasty. The theory of biogenesis is exceptionally limited in scope and generally inapplicable for anything interesting.
Exactly. Religion infects our culture with ignorance, irrational thinking, and bigotry. We must respond. It is our obligation as human beings.
Good post, son...well done!
Religion and faith in unprovable, spiritual immortality, is the only thing keeping many basically insecure persons from substance abuse and worse anti-social behavior. God is certainly the most powerful word/idea ever... and an important crutch many confused and/or unfortunate people cling to just because it was good enough for their ancestors who are, very imaginably, waiting for them in a much better place.
I sympathize with the true believers and sometimes even envy them. But tight-ass, judgmental religion just sucks.
I reposted this article on my site in hopes it would get wider readership. I added a personal experience along with it.
@TheThinkingPerson - Religion infects our culture with ignorance, irrational thinking, and bigotry.
But we have gotten pretty art, music, poetry, and architecture in exchange!
Okay, okay, it wasn't quite worth the trade, but still...
@Amoralis - Religion and faith in unprovable, spiritual immortality, is the only thing keeping many basically insecure persons from substance abuse and worse anti-social behavior.
I believe that if we clear religion out of its cultural niche, bigger, faster, sleeker philosphical precepts would takes its place. ^_^
@blamemetoo - I'd rather talk science. What are your thoughts on Louis Pasteur and the Theory of Biogenesis?
I once disproved the existence of ice. I watched water for three straight hours at room temperature.
My roommate told me something about the conditions not being right-- humbug, what do chemists know.
I think everybody should just respect other's opinions and get the fuck over it already.
You articulated well a commonly held feeling. I don't share it: I don't have jehovah witnesses Knocking at my door, or the feeling I can't escape the "evil eye" of my town's two priests. Indeed, I live in New York City, where we just Know everyone has a different belief (or non-belief) structure. Sure there are people (seen as strange) who stand on corners and spout things we can't quite hear and don't care than we can't...but they are seen as "ill" not part of a structure. Your points about organized religion being being many a world conflict are sadly , too true. But many a sole masacre has had "belief" and "non-belief" structures and everything in between. It's too bad that you feel like organized religion is coming at you from all angles. It shouldn't. Good post.
@UnconventionalButterfly - That's a very short-sighted view of the whole thing. The "opinions" of religious people cause them to vote certain ways that lead to oppression and suppression of rights for groups of people and individuals. The "opinions" of religious people lead to witch hunts and the slaughter of women and children (I'm not making this up). Those "opinions" show up at my door carrying Bibles, Watchtower magazines, and Books of Mormon. I'm not going to respect those opinions and I'm not going to get over it.
@CoderHead - Well put.
There are religions, though, that don't try to convert, that would consider it rude and disrespectful to demand that someone else change their beliefs (dharmic religions and pagan religions come to mind).
I do feel, though, like Christianity is overwhelming in this aspect. And I understand why they do it (they legitimately think they're helping, the dears) but it is extremely aggravating that many Christians lack the respect for other people to bugger off when told that no, it's not going to happen.
@CoderHead - Very well put. People should show each other respect, but as you said, they won't. I think it would require a massive overhaul of the way people think in order to make it happen.